what i ment was that the existance of of an immovable dalek who is connected to his computers by wires is more dalek emperor rather than davros - we all know that fasion contious daleks change their outfit over time anyway ;)

and the way I see the silvester mccoy/davros conversation was that the doctor knoew he was davros (which is why he asks him to reveal his true self - bare with me if I'm wrong - I havn't seen it since it was first on bbc 1) but dosn't call him as such purly as a plot device so that we the viewer thinks the child in the chair is davros - does that make sence?

by the by penny - is this discussion ok on yer le jay? let me know if it irritates and we can take it to email of something ;)