In this strange complex of time and space anything can happen

Ha-ha - that would be so funny! And it would fit with him describing himself as 'the last of his kind' in Gridlock, too - which actually rules out either Time Lords or humans if it's taken literally, since Martha and the Doctor are sitting right by him when he says it.

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Oh, and I also meant to say - excellent icon!

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Thank you. That was a very amusing sketch.

Oddly enough the uploader made the text a bit fuzzy; I don't understand this!

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Maybe they just weren't too hot with Photoshop?

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that is a brilliant idea

it's not gonna be right, but it's still brilliant

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I never thought of any of the other options, but I can see the Master or Davros being so desperate for eternal life that they wouldn't mind ending up as a head in a jar.

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Well, I put Davros in because he did do just that at one point. He's my random wild card, though - I don't think it's actually very likely!

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and RTD seems to have ignored the existance of davros.....

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Well, he could just be saving him. You never know!

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davros would mean *more* darleks

please god no

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ya, as much as I love the daleks, I think they've been done to death in the new series

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Nonsense, that's just for when he's run out of other well known villains to toss in!

And yes, another excuse for more daleks. He does so love those.

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I stand by the option that the Emperor Dalek was Davros

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oh come *on* now

davros has always been a different character the the emperor dalek/dalek prime

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See Remembrance of the Daleks

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that the silverster mccoy one yeah?

if memory serves it was the renegade daleks lead by the emperor/dalek prime and the imperial lead by davros......

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The Renegade Daleks were lead by a Black "Prime Dalek" however the Imperial Daleks were lead by "the Emperor." In particular, when the Daleks say (paraphrasing), "Emperor on the Bridge"

Therefore - Emperor = Davros

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lets look up stuff on wikipedia shall we?

These should not be confused with the "Emperor Dalek" (note the word reversal) in Remembrance of the Daleks.

even though I didn't get the words the right way round note that fact that simply stated that dalek prime and davros were never portrayed to be the same person

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalek_variants#Dalek_Emperor)

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Frankly, I see nothing within that article, except for a minor statement that the words are reversed to conclude that the two characters are mutually exclusive.

And that argument is a rather flimsy justification

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seriously?

if memory serves, dalek prime/dalek emperor is latter day name taken by the dalek who shot davros in the tom baker one where the go and whitness the creation of the daleks

hence different people - the only reason the imperial daleks, in the serial you mentioned, called their leader "emperor" was to throw a curved ball so that the viewer thought that davos was in charge of the renagades rather than the imperials and that the thing that turned out to be the girl in the black chair with a dalek helmet on was davros - which really got me hook line and sinker when I first saw it.........

not only that, but the doctor has always shown the ability to recognise davros and address him by that name - which he didn't do in the parting of the ways

also that emperor dalek seems to resemble the emperor dalek from a previous story (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fc/Dalekemperor.jpg/275px-Dalekemperor.jpg), rather than any previous form of davros

I take that is a less flimsey argument ;)

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I'll have to review Genesis of the Daleks for the first item.

However the Doctor does not address Davros as Davros in Remembrance until after he reveals himself to the viewer and the Doctor. Nor, would I note has Davros' identity ever otherwise been in doubt.

And, given the bronze finish of the new series, I would say that this (http://www.whoniverse.org/pictures/dalek_emperor_imperial.jpg) is a stronger resemblance. :)

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what i ment was that the existance of of an immovable dalek who is connected to his computers by wires is more dalek emperor rather than davros - we all know that fasion contious daleks change their outfit over time anyway ;)

and the way I see the silvester mccoy/davros conversation was that the doctor knoew he was davros (which is why he asks him to reveal his true self - bare with me if I'm wrong - I havn't seen it since it was first on bbc 1) but dosn't call him as such purly as a plot device so that we the viewer thinks the child in the chair is davros - does that make sence?

by the by penny - is this discussion ok on yer le jay? let me know if it irritates and we can take it to email of something ;)

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No, it's cool - healthy debate is good, so long as you don't get snarky with each other! Bless you for asking, though. :-)

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the picture in the icon is really familiar. I think it reminds me of an installation I saw, possibly at the tate mod. But what is it from?

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It's Mariko Mori (http://the-artists.org/artist/Mariko_Mori.html) She certainly had an exhibition at the Serpentine Gallery in Hyde Park 9 years ago - it was really cool. She may well have had other London exhibits, too.

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I think it must have been somewhere else because I've never been to the serpentine gallery.

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Maybe the Face is the Master's Tardis (it has to be somewhere!)

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I did wonder about that - or maybe the Doctor's TARDIS, from long after the Doctor himself has died? Especially given the way Boe calls the Doctor an 'old friend', although the Doctor doesn't know him.

Or Boe's jar could be a TARDIS, explaining his apparent ability to zip about in time and space.

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I reckon if Boe is anyone significant, then Jack's the obvious suspect... although I think that would be a fairly dull resolution. I hope it's something a little more interesting, or conversely that Boe is simply just Boe!

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I was assuming that the doctor would meet boe again, in the time before the end of the original earth, or something ;)

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Personally, I think the real question is "What about the rest of Boe?"

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Oh, indeed - knowing whether there ever was any more of him or not would be very helpful!

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I think the Face of Boe is Rassilon. Probably not, but it's amusing to think of.

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Yes, it would be cool. Although sadly unlikely because a) the return of the Master has already confused enough new-comers and b) it wouldn't fit with the Face of Boe describing himself as the 'last of his kind' in Gridlock.

Still, I hope we hear some stuff about the founding trinity some time in the new series.

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Interesting thoughts. Although for it to be either Davros or the Master, I think it would require a distinct change of personality, since in the end, Boe gave his life to save others.

What I DO want to know though, is what happened to the Boemina he gave birth to in The Long Game (I think?)! Or even HOW he die!

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That was supposed to read how he did, not how he die!

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